| Understanding Financial Mania and Systemic Risk- 'Leveraged Buy Outs', 'Private Equity', 'Hedge Funds'
 An interview with Damon Silvers
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			Multinational Monitor, May/June 2007
 
				
					Damon Silvers is an associate 
					general counsel for the AFL-CIO, where he works on corporate 
					governance, pension and general business law issues. Silvers 
					led the AFL-CIO legal team that won severance payments for 
					laid off Enron and WorldCom workers. He is a member of the 
					Public Company Accounting Oversight Board Standing Advisory 
					Group, the Financial Accounting Standards Board User 
					Advisory Council, and the American Academy of Arts and 
					Sciences Corporate Governance Task Force. 
				
				 "...Private equity is a term that was designed to mislead people. The 
			term encompasses all sorts of investment funds that take controlling 
			interests in companies that are not public - private companies - 
			through holding equity in them. And it confuses basically three 
			kinds of very different investment strategies... A hedge fund is another term that doesn't tell you much 
			about what it really is. A hedge fund is an informal term for an 
				investment fund that operates under a Securities and Exchange 
				Commission (SEC) exemption.If you're running an investment fund, 
				you typically have to register with the SEC and comply with the 
				rather extensive set of regulations designed to protect 
				investors. The exemption is that if you're only taking 
				investments from sophisticated investors - from large 
				institutions and wealthy individuals - you have an exemption 
				from these securities rules..." 
 Multinational Monitor: What is private equity? Damon Silvers:  
				Private equity is a term that was designed to mislead people. The 
			term encompasses all sorts of investment funds that take controlling 
			interests in companies that are not public - private companies - 
			through holding equity in them. And it confuses basically three 
			kinds of very different investment strategies. The first, venture capital, involves investing money in companies 
			that are in their early stages, with new ideas and technology. The 
			hope is that the company will ultimately be a big success and 
			everybody that was involved at the ground floor will get very rich. 
			That type of investment usually involves no or little debt or 
			leverage, because people are reluctant to lend money to ventures 
			pursuing untried ideas. 
				 The second area of private equity is what's called the vulture fund. 
			Vulture funds invest in companies that are in trouble, often by 
			buying the debt of companies that are either bankrupt or about to go 
			bankrupt, and thereby gaining control over them. This is also a type 
			of investing that, oddly enough, involves relatively little 
			borrowing. 
				 The third category, which has come to overshadow the other two, is 
			leveraged buyouts. Leveraged buyouts were a big deal in the late 
			1980s and early 1990s. They involve buying a company by putting up a 
			little bit of money as equity and borrowing the rest. When leveraged 
			buyouts really get going, leveraged buyout investors tend to borrow 
			at least 80 percent of the purchase price and put up no more than 20 
			percent as equity. The firms that you read about in the newspapers these days as 
			"private equity firms" are almost entirely leveraged buyout firms. 
			Leveraged buyouts got a bad name in the 1980s because they were 
			associated with enormous job losses, and radical shrinkage and 
			breakup of companies. Ultimately, they overleveraged, which led to 
			some of the very big deals of the 1980s either collapsing or being 
			relatively poor investments for long periods of time. 
				 When this kind of activity got going again in a big way about two 
			years ago, the deal-making firms decided rather than call it 
			leveraged buyouts again, they would call it private equity. That 
			blurred the distinction between what they were doing and, say, 
			investing in new technology, which most people think is a relatively 
			good idea. Multinational Monitor: What is a hedge fund and how does private equity relate to hedge 
			funds? Silvers: 
				A hedge fund is another term that doesn't tell you much 
			about what it really is. 
				 A hedge fund is an informal term for an investment fund that 
			operates under a Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) exemption. 
			If you're running an investment fund, you typically have to register 
			with the SEC and comply with the rather extensive set of regulations 
			designed to protect investors. The exemption is that if you're only 
			taking investments from sophisticated investors - from large 
			institutions and wealthy individuals - you have an exemption from 
			these securities rules. In the last 25 years or so, people have used 
			this exemption to put together investment funds that both buy stock, 
			called going long in the investment parlance, and take positions 
			that essentially bet on the stock or the bond or the other 
			instrument going down, which is called shorting. If you mix short 
			and long positions, that can potentially be a way of restricting the 
			risk in your long position. Here's how this might work: An auto company benefits from low 
			interest rates; more people buy cars when they can borrow with less 
			expense. You buy the stock of an auto company and then you short 
			debt instruments which also do well when interest rates are low. 
			Then, if interest rates rise, your exposure to losses in your auto 
			stock is hedged by your short position in the credit instrument. 
				 These unregistered investment funds pursued this type of strategy, 
			so they became known as hedge funds - they were involved in 
			investment strategies that hedged risk. But the truth is that a 
			hedge fund can do pretty much anything. It can invest in any type of 
			security and it can invest in any type of strategy. It can make 
			private equity investments. As somebody once said, a hedge fund is 
			really a legal category in search of an asset class. Hedge funds and private equity have a couple of things in common. 
			Hedge funds, like private equity funds, or leveraged buyout funds, 
			tend to borrow money - they tend to leverage their investments. That 
			is, they have a pool of money that people have given them to invest, 
			and they go to a bank, or some other lender, and borrow money to 
			invest in more assets than they could have had they just taken the 
			money they had been given by their investors. If the investments do 
			well and return more than interest costs, then the fund can increase 
			the rate of return for its investor. So both hedge funds and 
			leveraged buyout funds, or private equity funds, live off of cheap 
			debt. But this type of strategy is quite risky, because if your 
			investments fail, your fund goes bankrupt much more quickly than if 
			it wasn't leveraged. 
				 The second thing they have in common is that they're both opaque. 
			Both hedge funds and private equity funds, in general, tell the 
			government regulators and the investing public relatively little 
			about what assets they have, which strategies they're pursuing and 
			what they're doing with the money that they invest. 
				 These two characteristics - the fact that they rely on leverage and 
			that they're opaque - have led many academics, regulators and 
			investor advocates to be concerned about the impact of these two 
			categories of investment vehicles on our market system as a whole. 
			Multinational Monitor: To the extent these funds are opaque, do the big institutional 
			investors have more insight than either an average person, or even 
			an average rich person? Silvers: 
				Very, very large investment funds tend to know more about 
			the hedge funds and private equity funds that they invest in than 
			the average person or the average small institution. 
				 As for rich people, there are rich people and rich people. If you're 
			a mere millionaire, if you're investing $5 million or $10 million, 
			you don't know anything anyone else doesn't know. On the other hand, 
			if you're Bill Gates, or basically if you have hundreds of millions 
			of dollars to invest personally, then you can play in this league. 
			If you have very smart people working for you or you're personally 
			attentive, you can have access to information that other people 
			don't have. 
				 Because of the networks of wealthy individuals involved in this type 
			of investing, I think some of those people may actually know more 
			than the institutions. But it depends on the institution and it 
			depends on the rich person. 
				 There are certainly institutions that specialize in this area that 
			are extremely well informed. The most obvious ones and the most 
			prominent ones have been university endowments: Harvard, Yale and 
			the University of Texas, which have invested very large portions of 
			their assets in both hedge funds and private equity funds, have done 
			very well and are very embedded in information networks around those 
			funds. Multinational Monitor: Can you elaborate on how hedge and leveraged buyout funds pose 
			systematic risks? Silvers: 
				First, let's talk about dollars. No one really knows 
			because these markets and this landscape changes very quickly, but 
			there's probably between $1 trillion and $2 trillion today invested 
			in hedge funds globally, and probably close to a trillion dollars in 
			various kinds of leveraged buyout firms. Again, who knows what's 
			happened since the recent market turmoil, but that's the basic 
			landscape. These funds have borrowed a lot of money on top of that. 
			And again, no one really knows exactly how much. But a good estimate 
			is the leveraged ratio across this whole asset category is at least 
			50 percent, so you're talking about potentially $4 trillion or $5 
			trillion invested, controlled and in the marketplace through these 
			funds. That's enough money to move markets. And it is enough 
			borrowing to potentially affect the stability of the global banking 
			system. 
				 On top of that, hedge funds - this is not so much the case with 
			private equity funds - can do anything they want, literally 
			anything, unless they've signed a contract with their investors 
			limiting their investment behavior, which most don't. Other types of 
			money management, like an insurance company or a mutual fund, must 
			tell their customers what their investment strategy is and have a 
			legal obligation to stick with it; mutual funds also have legal 
			obligations to maintain relatively diversified portfolios. The 
			implications of that for systemic risk are profound. On a given day, 
			a hedge fund could make a very large leveraged bet any place it 
			wishes. It could take a very large leveraged short position in the 
			currency of any given country; it could take a very large long 
			position on the stock of any given company, or the bonds of any 
			given company, or a particular mortgage-backed security. I don't 
			suggest that any particular hedge fund is doing this, but nothing is 
			stopping one from doing so if they want to. This ability to 
			concentrate and leverage risk, and to do so with relatively little 
			disclosure and to shift what they are doing very rapidly, makes 
			these funds particularly capable of causing systemic risk. In what manner am I talking about? If a hedge fund borrows money to 
			take a large position in a security and then that security or that 
			pool of securities collapses, or it turned out to be worth a lot 
			less than the hedge fund thought it would be worth, what happens? 
			First, the investors in that hedge fund can lose their money very 
			fast. Then the institutions that lent money to that hedge fund will 
			find themselves out of luck. If the borrowings are large enough, the 
			financial stability of the lenders could be implicated. If that 
			begins, then it's not just that lender and those transactions at 
			stake. A general doubt could be triggered in the marketplace about 
			the creditworthiness of hedge funds and the enterprises that lend to 
			hedge funds. 
				 We have seen something like that go on in the last few months in a 
			series of cascading credit markets. It turned out that mortgage 
			pools that were represented to be credit worthy were not credit 
			worthy. There were defaults in the underlying assets (people could 
			not pay off their mortgages). Then the people who'd invested in 
			those funds, and borrowed money to do so, lost a lot of money and in 
			some cases went under. Then a broader doubt began to grow in the 
			credit markets about the credit worthiness of other funds that had 
			similar structures and similar credit ratings. All of a sudden one 
			day in August, no one was willing to purchase certain types of 
			asset-backed commercial paper - in markets that a month earlier had 
			been considered close to completely risk-free. 
				 Credit markets have dried up and businesses have failed over the 
			last couple of months because of this systemic cascade of doubts 
			about the credit worthiness of whole sets of market participants, 
			and then because of actual failures like with the Bear Stearns 
			funds. And I suspect that we will see more of this in the next 
			couple of months. How much more, I don't think anybody knows. 
			Multinational Monitor: What's the incentive for the private equity firms to put the 
			deals together? Silvers: 
				To get very rich, astoundingly rich! 
				 It's inherently the case that if you borrow money to buy an asset 
			and the asset performs well then you'll make a lot more money than 
			if you pay 100 percent cash - 100 percent equity - for that asset.
				 Think about a home. Suppose you buy a house for $100,000, put 
			$20,000 down, and in the course of time the value of the house 
			doubles. You've made $100,000 profit on your $20,000 investment. 
			That's a five-fold rate of return. If you buy with cash, you put 
			$100,000 down, you double it, you've made a two-fold rate of return. 
			The difference is big. 
				 That principle is what drives leveraged buyouts. If you buy 
			companies by borrowing money, you can make a lot of money. But 
			you're taking a risk. The risk is if instead of going up, the value 
			of your company goes down, or your company starts to lose money, 
			very quickly the equity in the company will be exhausted and the 
			company will be bankrupt. If the company was financed largely with 
			equity, it will have a greater ability to absorb economic downturns. The labor movement obviously is very concerned about what happens 
			when large pieces of our economy are financed through leverage. 
			Companies become more vulnerable to economic instability, and so are 
			workers. And so we have a problem with the widespread use of this 
			type of leverage in buying and selling real companies that do real 
			things and employ real people. 
				 This inherent nature of leverage, of debt, is bolstered and 
			multiplied with all of the tax subsidies that go to private equity 
			firms. 
				 Payments on corporate debt are tax deductible, whereas payments to 
			equity are not. This means that, once you take the tax effect into 
			account, any given company can support much more debt than it can 
			equity. 
				 A second tax subsidy that has been widely publicized is the carried 
			interest rule. The private equity guys have structured their 
			companies in the form of limited partnerships, and have persuaded 
			the IRS against the obvious evidence that the money the private 
			equity firms make as management fees should be treated as though 
			they weren't management fees but actual returns on investments. That 
			allows them to pay taxes at a capital gains rate on their income 
			rather than paying income tax rates like the rest of us pay. 
				 The punch line is that the people that run private equity firms, 
			leveraged buyout firms - who are many of the wealthiest people in 
			the world - are paying income tax rates on much of their personal 
			income that is in some cases half the rate paid by most 
			middle-income people in the United States. That is obviously 
			something that the labor movement is viscerally opposed to. 
			Increasingly, on a bipartisan basis, a lot of people in Congress 
			also think this is just outrageous and ought to be stopped. 
			Multinational Monitor: How would a leveraged buyout firm put a deal together? What are 
			the steps? Silvers: 
				First, you have to have some money to invest. If you're a 
			private equity manager, you go around to wealthy individuals and 
			pension funds and university endowments and foundations and you 
			collect money. Then you have a pool of money, which is structured as 
			a partnership. You're the general partner and the investors are all 
			limited partners. 
				 Then you look for a company which is undervalued versus what your 
			analysts think it's really worth. Let's assume it's a public 
			company. You put a bid together for that company. You go to banks 
			and get a commitment letter from those banks. The commitment letter 
			says that if for some reason this company is unable to raise money 
			by selling bonds, then the banks will lend this company the money to 
			cover the purchase price. 
				 With the commitment letter from the banks, you go to the management 
			of the company and say, "We'd like to buy your company. We'd like 
			you and your board to vote to sell the company to us, and we will 
			pay some premium over what the stock is trading at today. And by the 
			way, we will offer you guys - the management of the company - the 
			opportunity to work for us going forward, in the company after we 
			control it. And we will give you large stakes in the equity in this 
			company, much larger than you have today in your role as managers in 
			a public company." The idea is to incentivize management to 
			recommend to the shareholders that the company be sold at the price 
			the leveraged buyout firm would like to buy it at. The subtext may 
			be that the firm would prefer that management sell at a price lower 
			than what the company might really be worth. 
				 Assuming this approach to the company works and the shareholders 
			vote the transaction through, then immediately the private equity 
			firm goes to the bond market and borrows the rest of the purchase 
			price. But the private equity firm is not the borrower, the company 
			it has just bought is the borrower. So for every dollar's worth of 
			shares that the private equity fund buys to take control of the 
			company, the private equity firm pays maybe 20 cents and borrows 80 
			cents. Now they own the company. 
				 When they own the company, the private equity firm looks for ways to 
			make money off the company. What they'll typically do is look for 
			ways to cut costs. Increasingly, they will also look for ways to 
			very quickly pay out dividends to themselves as the equity holders. 
			And sometimes this will involve actually borrowing more money on the 
			company's credit to pay out to themselves - this is called a 
			leveraged recapitalization. And it's resulted in companies being 
			leveraged up over 90 percent. 
				 Then the private equity firm will hold the company until it is 
			economically advantageous to sell it back into the public markets. 
			They cut costs, dress up the company to be as attractive as possible 
			to the public markets and sell it back, aiming for a price 
			significantly higher than the one they paid. Then they pay off the 
			loans and pocket the difference for the private equity fund. Private 
			equity funds say that their timeline for selling back into the 
			marketplace is three to five years. During this boom period that's 
			occurred over the last couple of years, in some cases that flipping 
			period has been less than a year, particularly for some 
			European-based deals. 
				 This is a cycle. You borrow money, you buy companies out of the 
			public market, you tinker around with them, and then you sell them 
			back into the public market. The fact that it is a cycle goes to 
			show that leveraged buyout (LBO) firms are not a substitute for the 
			public ownership of large corporations. They are a phenomenon that 
			lives off of the public markets. They take companies in and out. 
			They depend for their success on their ability to sell back into the 
			public markets. 
				 On occasion, you'll hear academics and some in the media talk about 
			leveraged buyouts or private equity as the new form of corporate 
			governance. It's nothing of the kind. 
				 It's exactly what was done in the late 1980s. It's not going to 
			replace the public markets, it's simply going to live off of them as 
			long as the credit market conditions are advantageous to this type 
			of business. 
				 By the way, the credit market conditions flipped against them this 
			summer, and I think we're going to see a lot less private equity 
			leveraged buyout activity in the next year or two as a result. 
			Multinational Monitor: What does it mean when you say that the leveraged buyout firms 
			are trying to find ways to cut costs? Why do they have any better 
			ideas to cut costs than the company did when it was publicly traded? Silvers: 
				They'll say that it's because they're smarter, that they 
			know how to do better with their businesses than the managers who 
			managed the business before. It may be true that some of these firms 
			are run by very smart people, but there really isn't much evidence 
			that, as a group, the people who run leveraged buyout firms know how 
			to run any particular line of business better than anybody else. 
				 In fact, there's a lot of evidence, built over decades, that 
			financial management of business enterprises without any sort of 
			industry-specific talent, is poorer at running businesses than 
			people who really know the business. Some academics have compared 
			private equity firms in this sense to conglomerates, which were all 
			the rage in the 1970s, but did not perform well. A leveraged buyout 
			firm is just another organization that owns a bunch of unrelated 
			businesses - why should they be any better at it than the 
			conglomerates were? 
				 What LBO firms do have - and this is part of the reason why LBOs got 
			a bad name - is a relatively short-term time horizon, and they're 
			sophisticated about the capital markets that they operate in. They 
			tend to be more willing to undertake short-term-oriented business 
			decisions, because they're not going to have any interest in that 
			business after their flip date. 
				 This has led a lot of people in the labor movement to view private 
			equity firms, as a whole, as being relatively more willing to cut 
			companies' cost structures - meaning their employees, their capital 
			investment - to levels that will in the long run make the business 
			not sustainable, in the interest of making the company appear to be 
			more profitable than it really is on the flip date. To the extent 
			that the markets can be fooled by this type of activity, it's 
			certainly in private equity firms' interest to do it. 
				 There are some people who believe capital markets can't be fooled 
			and they sort of take it as an article of faith that therefore 
			nobody tries this kind of strategy. My own view is that after Enron 
			and WorldCom, you just can't really credibly say that capital 
			markets can't be fooled. There's just tons of evidence that they can 
			be fooled and are fooled every day. And the private equity firms 
			have an incentive to fool capital markets by dressing up their 
			companies to look like they're healthy and capable of generating 
			very high rates of return over a long period of time, when in fact 
			what's happened is that they've been gutted. The LBOs have 
			under-invested in both human capital and physical capital, and cut 
			their employee levels to the point where they can't actually produce 
			value. Multinational Monitor: Why do creditors go along with a 90 percent leveraged business 
			model? Silvers: 
				I think they're more or less not going along with it now, 
			but they go along with it during periods of leverage-mania because 
			it's profitable. When credit is cheap, they can put money into these 
			deals, get a lot of fees out of them and gain the interest payments. For banks, I think it has a lot to do with the way people are 
			compensated, and so forth. Bond lenders do what they do because they 
			are relying more or less on credit ratings. There's not enough data 
			yet to really be sure what has happened during this mania, but in 
			the housing market we know that credit rating agencies have been 
			willing to rate pools of mortgages that were clearly risky as though 
			they were not risky. 
				 There is a larger issue overhanging all of it, which is that there's 
			been an enormous glut in fixed-income financing in the last few 
			years. This has produced what a number of central banks and 
			international economic authorities have described as a compression 
			of risk spread. And this is really, in our view, the source of the 
			private equity, and to a great extent, the hedge fund boom. 
				 It's been possible to borrow money to do things that are quite 
			risky, like leveraging a company 90 percent, without having to pay 
			very much to do it. 
				 In theory, if you're going to borrow to do something really risky, 
			you'll have to pay a very high interest rate because there's a 
			significant risk that you'll go under and won't be able to pay off 
			your debts. The kind of people who lend to risky enterprises make 
			multiple risky loans with high interest rates, knowing that some 
			will go under and the high interest rates will pay for those which 
			go under. 
				 The last few years, it's been possible to borrow money for very 
			risky enterprises with a very low spread to non-risky borrowing, say 
			a treasury bill. That compressed risk spread has fed this boom. 
				 Where does the compressed risk spread come from? It came from a glut 
			of dollar-denominated debt investing. And there's two sources of 
			that. One source is that the Fed has been pumping dollar-denominated 
			money into our economy since 2001 in an effort to end and hold off 
			recession. The other source of it is the U.S. trade deficit, which 
			has produced an enormous pile of dollars in the hands of our trading 
			partners, in particular China and Japan. In China, which is the 
			holder of the bigger pile of dollars, the government has concluded 
			that they wish to reinvest those dollars almost entirely in fixed 
			income, in debt securities. So there's a trillion dollars in Chinese 
			sovereign holdings in U.S. dollars being put to work in the debt 
			markets worldwide. That has fed the private equity boom, the hedge 
			fund boom and the real estate boom. 
				 Now suddenly, in recent months, this whole process has come to a 
			screeching halt as a whole chain of lenders, starting in the housing 
			area, have discovered that they weren't getting adequate 
			compensation for their risk, and that there's a lot more risk in 
			these debt markets than they thought. Multinational Monitor: What has been the scale of private equity in the United States 
			and globally? Silvers: 
				There's more than a trillion dollars involved in this type 
			of investing. It's a global phenomenon. It is significant in the 
			United States, but much more so in Europe. One academic source has 
			estimated that 25 percent of the British workforce in the private 
			sector today works for a company that is owned by a leveraged buyout 
			firm. That's an extraordinary number, a little hard to believe. 
			There are similarly high numbers in other European economies. In the 
			United States, the number is nowhere near that. Our economy is much 
			bigger and the scale of leveraged private investing in the United 
			States in relation to our economy is nowhere near where it is in 
			some of these European countries. 
				 But there is no questions that, as a whole, in the last three or 
			four years, leveraged private investing has gone from a relatively 
			minor feature of the world's economy to a very significant one, 
			particularly in Europe. It's no coincidence that Europe is where the 
			political war over the behavior of the leveraged buyout firms is at 
			its most intense. The collapse of the risky credit markets in the 
			last few months may, at least temporarily, put a stop to this 
			particular mania, but we just don't know. And there isn't much 
			information today to be sure what exactly the ultimate consequences 
			of the mania are likely to be. Multinational Monitor: Should governments impose measures that would make it more 
			difficult to do these deals? Silvers: 
				The public policy issues surrounding this are completely 
			dominated by the political and economic power of the actors in this 
			game. 
				 In private, as far as I know, there isn't a single economist that 
			will tell you that the tax subsidy to corporate debt, which private 
			equity funds live off of, has any basis. I'm not just talking about 
			left-wing economists; any economist will tell you that the tax 
			system ought not to favor debt versus equity in the financing of 
			companies. 
				 A responsible public policy approach would be to ask, do we want to 
			subsidize debt over equity, and to what levels? Is it really in the 
			public's interest to maintain a tax system that encourages operating 
			companies to leverage up to 80 and 90 percent when we know that's 
			almost certain to lead to companies getting into financial distress 
			much more quickly and companies being much less able to be 
			productive and operate through economic downturns? 
				 Similarly, there's just no basis to subsidize the personal incomes 
			of private equity managers by having them pay capital gains tax on 
			their income. It's just indefensible. 
				 To the extent that these types of tax subsidies continue, we have a 
			policy regime that a) subsidizes the income of the wealthiest people 
			in our society at the expense of the rest of us, and b) encourages 
			boom-and-bust cycles in private equity, which are almost certainly 
			not good for the productive capacity of the United States' economy 
			or of the world's economy. 
				 Those issues should be taken up, and I think are being taken up by 
			Congress to some degree right now, in an environment where there is 
			less and less sympathy for straightforward subsidies for the most 
			wealthy Americans. 
				 I think we are less likely to get measures that deal with the 
			systemic risk issues involved in both private equity funds and hedge 
			funds, despite the fact that there's a crying need for that. A 
			variety of people both in and out of government have been trying to 
			get that type of regulation in place for some years now. The SEC 
			took a minor step in that direction a couple years ago and had it 
			knocked down by the federal courts. But if there isn't some 
			responsible action, it's likely that something very unpleasant will 
			happen, and then the issue will be taken up in an atmosphere of 
			panic. Multinational Monitor: What are the kinds of policies that might deal with these 
			systemic threats? Silvers: 
				The most important one is transparency, both to the 
			regulators and to the investing public. The hedge funds need to tell 
			regulators and the people who invest in them what assets they hold 
			and what strategies they're pursuing. Bank regulators need to know 
			with a great deal more detail where banks are lending, and how 
			banks, derivatives markets and hedge funds are interacting with each 
			other. It would be very helpful to stop the nonsense of having the 
			Commodities Futures Trading Commission regulate the derivatives 
			markets, when there are derivatives that are all linked in with 
			securities. 
				 That's an area where we're just asking for trouble by having that 
			kind of regulatory incoherence. That combination of things, 
			transparency and a unified and coherent oversight system on the part 
			of the regulators, are the two things that most need to be done. 
			Multinational Monitor: How have the private equity and hedge fund firms responded on 
			Capitol Hill to efforts to enact some of the controls you're talking 
			about? Silvers: 
				As it has dawned on them that people have figured out that 
			they are taking advantage of outrageous tax subsidies, both the 
			private equity funds and the hedge funds have in the last few months 
			thrown a lot of money at Washington. They are seeking to block 
			changes to the tax rules, including legislation that's been proposed 
			in the Senate by Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, and Max Baucus, 
			D-Montana, and in the House by Sander Levin, D-Michigan, and Charles 
			Rangel, D-New York. Those proposals would, in different ways, put an 
			end to some of the tax subsidies. 
				 The House bill would put an end to the capital gains treatment of 
			carried interest income. It's been interesting to watch various 
			lobbying firms, law firms and PR firms fight over who gets what cut 
			of all the money that's been thrown at Washington by the private 
			equity and hedge fund industries. 
				 They have made a series of arguments, which really have no merit, 
			about how if they have to pay taxes somehow this will hurt the 
			pension funds that invest in their funds, and if they have to pay 
			taxes suddenly nobody will take any more risks either in capital 
			markets or in American business. There's a long list of utterly 
			baseless arguments they make. 
				 But if you have enough money, you can get people to take utterly 
			baseless arguments seriously in Washington. 
				 However, we're in an environment right now where I think 
			increasingly in Congress there's less sympathy for tax subsidies for 
			the very wealthy, and that's true on a bipartisan basis. I think 
			that they're going to have a hard time winning this argument. At the 
			end of the day, they're probably going to lose, at least on the tax 
			issues. On the transparency issues, I'm not so sure. I worry that 
			these systemic risk issues have not been adequately addressed and 
			may not be adequately addressed. 
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