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          Relationsin the Age of Empire
 
            "You Can't Lump All Terrorists
            Together"- Hillary Clinton Speaks Out
 Michael Tomasky asks Hillary Clinton
            about Iraq,the legacy of the Cold War, Mukasey and ceding
            executive powers
 Guardian
            Unlimited, October 23, 2007 
              [Comment by tamilnation.org  Hillary Clinton's remarks are
              welcome - and given the culture encouraged by the
              present US administration, her remarks are courageous
              and opportune. Hillary Clinton is right to recognise that
              terrorism is a tool 'that has
              been utilized throughout history to achieve certain
              objectives' and she is right to spell out the need to
              consider separately the ends that may be sought to be
              achieved in each case  - and to respond
              accordingly. We can also
              empathise with her when she says that the US
              "can have an approach that
              tries to project power and authority in an
              appropriate way that draws on all aspects of American
              power, that inspires and
              attracts as much as coerces." Said that, we
              believe that a principle centered approach which will
              inspire and attract may also need to draw a
              distinction between violence and terrorism. The two
              words are not synonymous and much confusion arises by
              conflating the two. All violence is not terrorism and
              an US approach which liberates political language
              will also help liberate peoples who have taken up
              arms as a last resort in their struggle for freedom
              from oppressive alien rule. We believe that the
              long term strategic interests of the US, whether in
              the Indian Ocean region or elsewhere will benefit by
              a foreign policy which 'inspires
              and attracts as much as coerces'. If the US
              aspires to play a lead role in an emergent multi
              lateral world, we believe that that leadership will
              not come simply by the display of military might and
              economic power. There is a need to defend the very
              real values that a people stand for and speak from
              the heart to their hearts. We need both mind and heart - neither a
              desiccated calculating machine nor a mindless
              emotion. It is the marriage of power with principle that will secure
              leadership. A leader needs to secure the trust and respect of those whom she seeks to lead
              - trust in her integrity and respect for the skills
              that she is able to bring to the task of achieving
              shared goals.  The response
              that she will then receive will be overwhelming. This
              is true of individuals. It is true of business
              organisations. It is also true of
              countries.  See also The Political
              Brain: The Role of Emotion in Deciding the Fate of
              the Nation 
 Q. I want to start with some
          questions about foreign policy and terrorism. If you
          become president you'll enter the White House with far
          more power than, say, your husband had. What is your view
          of this? And what specific powers might you relinquish as
          president, or renegotiate with Congress - for example the
          power to declare a US citizen an enemy
          combatant? 
             Well, I think it
            is clear that the power grab undertaken by the
            Bush-Cheney administration has gone much further than
            any other president and has been sustained for longer.
            Other presidents, like Lincoln, have had to take on
            extraordinary powers but would later go to the Congress
            for either ratification or rejection. But when you take
            the view that they're not extraordinary powers, but
            they're inherent powers that reside in the office and
            therefore you have neither obligation to request
            permission nor to ask for ratification, we're in a new
            territory here. And I think that I'm gonna have to
            review everything they've done because I've been on the
            receiving end of that. There were a lot of actions
            which they took that were clearly beyond any power the
            Congress would have granted or that in my view that was
            inherent in the constitution. There were other actions
            they've taken which could have obtained congressional
            authorization but they deliberately chose not to pursue
            it as a matter of principle.
 Q. I guess I'm asking, can a
          president, once in the White House, actually give up some
          of this power in the name of constitutional
          principle? 
            Oh, absolutely, Michael. I mean
            that has to be part of the review that I undertake when
            I get to the White House, and I intend to do
            that. Q. Interesting. Liberal
          intellectuals and foreign policy thinkers have, since the
          start of the Iraq war, been engaged in debate about Iraq
          and the legacy of Cold War liberalism. Do you think the
          Iraq war was within the tradition we associate with
          Truman and Acheson? 
            You know, that's a very hard
            question to answer with any certainty or even full
            intellectual understanding because we are in a
            post-Cold War world, and I think that the argument has
            been missing that basic premise. It's hard to take what
            was a philosophy with respect to the use and
            containment of power during the Cold War and try to
            shoehorn it into a post-Cold War context. So I don't
            really think there is an easy or satisfying answer to
            that. You know, obviously, if you read my article in
            the current issue of Foreign Affairs, I think we can
            have an approach that tries to project power and
            authority in an appropriate way that draws on all
            aspects of American power, that inspires and attracts
            as much as coerces, if we avoid false choices driven by
            ideology and theory. One of the lessons that I think we
            all should take out of the last six-and-a-half years is
            that ideologically driven foreign policy that is not
            rooted in a realistic assessment of the world as we
            find it today is not likely to result in any positive
            outcome. Q. Yeah. Do you think that
          the terrorists hate us for our freedoms, or do you think
          they have specific geopolitical
          objectives? 
            Well, I believe that terrorism is a
            tool that has been utilized throughout history to
            achieve certain objectives. Some have been ideological,
            others territorial. There are personality-driven
            terroristic objectives. The bottom line is, you can't
            lump all terrorists together. And I think we've got to
            do a much better job of clarifying what are the
            motivations, the raisons d'�tre of
            terrorists. I mean, what the Tamil Tigers are fighting
            for in Sri Lanka, or the Basque separatists in Spain,
            or the insurgents in al-Anbar province may only be
            connected by tactics. They may not share all that much
            in terms of what is the philosophical or ideological
            underpinning. And I think one of our mistakes has been
            painting with such a broad brush, which has not been
            particularly helpful in understanding what it is we
            were up against when it comes to those who pursue
            terrorism for whichever ends they're
            seeking. Q. It sounds like you're
          saying it's not particularly useful when Bush and others
          say terrorists hate us for our
          freedoms? 
            Well, some do. But is that a
            diagnosis? I don't think it's proven to be an effective
            one. Q. Just quickly on Iraq. You
          know 67% of the respondents to a Washington Post poll
          said either cut off funding or attach it to timetables.
          Why is hard for Congress to do something 67% of American
          people say they want done? 
            Well, actually, I support that
            position, I have voted against funding, I have voted a
            number of times for timelines. But the bottom line is
            we don't have enough Republicans who are willing to
            depart from the president's policy. And we have a very
            narrow majority in the Senate, and until we can
            persuade enough Republicans to defeat a threatened
            filibuster we can't cut off funding, we can't attach
            timelines. I think the House could get a vote to attach
            timelines. I don't know whether they could take the
            step of cutting off funding, but they might be able to
            do it as a result of a series of actions. But in the
            Senate, you know, we have a 51-49 majority, and for
            most of the year, until Tim Johnson returned, we had a
            50-49 majority. And you're not going to see the
            Republicans lining up until they're absolutely
            convinced that they have no alternative, and that's
            what we're trying to convince them of. We've got an
            election year coming up. I think we'll continue to try
            to push the president, but the political reality is we
            don't have the votes. Q. I want to shift to a
          couple of domestic issues. In light of some of  Michael
          Mukasey's comments Thursday on torture and waterboarding,
          will you vote to confirm him? 
            Well, I'm gonna look at the entire
            record of the hearing. His questions in a number of
            areas raised issues for me, so I have to look closely
            and see what I should do in terms of voting, and I will
            be doing that. Q. What were you most
          concerned about? 
            Well there were a number of issues.
            Obviously, I do not believe in as expansive a
            definition of executive power, and some of the
            questions on the second day about presidential
            authority with respect to interrogation also concern
            me. Q. Does his longtime
          friendship with Giuliani trouble you at
          all? 
            No. Q. You know one criticism
          among some progressives is that you're an overly cautious
          politician. Can you name one issue during your Senate
          tenure on which you risked political capital, really
          stuck your neck out in behalf of a progressive policy
          goal? 
            Well, I think, you know, voting
            against funding. What did we get, 12, 13, 14 votes? A
            lot of people who consider themselves very progressive
            who voted against authorizing the war in Iraq were not
            with me on that vote. Q. Previously? On domestic
          issues? 
            Well, you know I've made so many
            votes, Mike, and I've tried to vote as I thought was
            the right thing to do, and if you look at my voting
            record as it's evaluated by most of the progressive
            organizations that look at voting records, I have a
            very, very high percentage of having voted with them,
            so I don't quite know what their concern is. You know,
            look what I'm doing in the campaign. I'm obviously
            running on my plans to change the country, I have very
            specific policies that I've rolled out day after day,
            I'm zeroing in on what I think should be done to
            restore America's leadership in the world and rebuild a
            strong and prosperous middle class and reform the
            government. And I think the results speak for
            themselves. We're getting an enormous amount of support
            because people understand that change is just a word if
            you don't have the strength and experience to make it
            happen. Q. Last question. Will health
          reform come first in your administration before the 2010
          midterms or will you start smaller? 
            A: It will be my highest priority
            as soon as I am inaugurated. |